ok im a 19 year old guy and I want to hear it from the women, do women date younger guys or their own age? Because I like the older girls or girls around my age, I have only been able to really date girls 2 to 3 grades younger than me.Also do women like guys who open the doors place their hand on the lower back as they open the doors for them and walk them in, pay for the whole date and be respectfull, because I have had only one real gf the rest I have dated 1 to 3 times and that was it and then they end up going out with the guys that treat them like shit, and wouldnt know what chivalry was if it smacked them in the face. My dad taught me what chivalry was and my sister taught how to do the hand on the lower back thing but she is going to get married and isnt like most girls now days. thanks for listening girls and thanks for any advice that is gladly excepted.

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by Anonymous on May 22, 2006 at 5:01 AM

"do women date younger guys or their own age?"

Now that's one dumb question. Some do and some don't; duhhhhh!! As you get older a few years either way won't really matter so I wouldn't get hung up on any age thing.

The interesting point you brought up was in re: to women who went with guys that treated them like shit. I'm about twice your age and have, "been around the block" so to speak and have found that point to be very true. Why.... my feeling is most women are lacking in self esteem and they don't feel worthy of a good guy who treats them well. Seems no matter how beautiful a female may be; she always has "issues" with some parts of herself. About all you can do is continue being yourself and sooner or later the right one will step into your life. Of course in the mean time you might make a few hotties who prefer to be treated like shit happy.

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Anonymous

by Anonymous on May 22, 2006 at 6:47 AM

Any woman (unless there is something wrong with her) would love to be treated with respect. I have been married for 16 years and my husband still opens doors for me. Sometimes women can walk all over men that are "too nice".
I think these women are immature and lack self respect.
Keep up the chivalry! My grandfather always said,

"you can tell how a man will treat his wife, by the way he treats his mother".

This is true, and most women know this.

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Anonymous

by Anonymous on May 22, 2006 at 11:51 AM

It's the perceptable "boredom" quotient. Courtesy = *yawn*.

Attentiveness and suavity, after the first date, is provincial, "old-fashioned" and square. "Polite" is predictable and safe as milk. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

T he typically international pop/youth "culture" simply embraces the -- "give in to raging hormones"/ most common denominator -- approach to outlook and expectations.

While politeness is still paramount in some societies, it is hard to escape the observation that these are mostly ethnic groups with rural roots. Economically, the closer to the extremes of income (or lack thereof) one looks, the less likely it is to find much care given to aspects of social decorum.In those groups, i.e., the well-to-do and the lower income levels, especially in the give-and-take of dating and courtship, consideration and civility are, at best, just temporary parrying moves. Actually, it might do at this point to consider that "Chivalry" was a polity that embraced <I>exclusively</I> those persons of the knightly and noble classes. Everyone else was fair game for whatever sadistic sport might be devised at the moment -- so the term does have a large grain of hypocrisy that must be swallowed....
If you find yourself lamenting the decline of manners, its just another sign that you are a member of the disappearing middle class.

But buck up, old hoss. When the middle class is absorbed by the poor - at one end, and the rich - at the other, it is well to reflect that the poor have historically -- if eventually -- eaten the Rich's lunch. History is cyclical and we are about due for another dark age.

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Anonymous

by Anonymous on May 22, 2006 at 5:44 PM

Well thanks for all the advice, and to the last one, well you are right to a certain extent on the wole knights and noble class, but the knights were really of poor status,and the treated all women the same for the most part.

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Anonymous

by Anonymous on May 22, 2006 at 6:52 PM

<I>"...but the knights were really of poor status...."</I>

Really!? !

No. As anguishing as it may be,let me disabuse you of that fantasy.
At the risk of going too far off topic - if we can agree to discount works such as Mallory's 15th century <I>Le Morte d' Arthur</I>, Geoffrey of Monmouth's 12th century <I>History Of The King's Of Britain</I> and some other medieval era works of fiction, I have never run across any actual historical examples of commoners - much less peasants - attaining knighthood. In my perusal of the literature in several European languages, spanning 10th - 16th centuries - and modern accounts, commoners could conceivably become Squires, soldiers and Sergeants-At-Arms yes. Knights, no.

To begin with, it was <I>hugely expensive</I> to equippe a knight, in any particular period of the medieval era. It was, therefore, the perogative of only the <I>very</I> wealthy, i.e., the nobility.

What you are probably envisualizing is some romantic version of the monastic orders of the crusading era - but again - t'aint so.
That the Orders didn't accept <I>just anyone</I> into their select club, is a matter of historical record - despite what romance authors and Hollywood might assert - you had to be of "gentle birth" to qualify for Knighthood among the Military Brothers of any of the Orders.

In any real look back - "Chivalry" - in its historical context - was always a class conscious concept. Just take a casual look at any general history book with a few chapters on the medieval period.

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